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bra_fan
Posted 28/6/2006 05:19 (#40927)
Subject: Areola Size > Are you Average?



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Hi,

Came across this interesting bit of information online:

Average Areola Size
1.4 inches (35.62 mm).

The more I though about it, the more I thought there must be an average based on the breast size as well, and came up with this purely speculative and unscientific scale:

A cup = 1 inches
B cup = 1.5 inches
C cup = 2 inches
D cup =  2.5 inches
DD cup = 3 inches
over DD cup = 3.5 inches

Wondering how accurate the scale above might be, and who's above or below the averages?

bra_fan

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lullu
Posted 28/6/2006 09:05 (#40933 - in reply to #40927)
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But you can't just say A-cup, B-cup etc.; there is a lot of difference between 32C and 40C, so I think the scale should be different somehow, but I am too tired right now to figure out what it should be like
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BigDina42L
Posted 28/6/2006 12:54 (#40941 - in reply to #40933)
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I agree with lullu. You have to find out what the range of chest sizes was used in and also the age group that was used to come up with these numbers.
Under normal cir***stances, teenagers are a lot different than adults or women that have had children.
If these numbers are true, than this is another test that I am off the charts with.
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bra_fan
Posted 28/6/2006 13:55 (#40945 - in reply to #40941)
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I think you're right.

I'm going to have to put some real thought into this, and come up with a scale based on age and band size, not just cup size.

Maybe age, ethnicity and nationality should be incorporated as well.

This is starting to sound like an interesting little project

I'll get to work on it later today.

bra_fan

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Melanie
Posted 28/6/2006 18:50 (#40957 - in reply to #40945)
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bra_fan - 28/6/2006 1:55 PM

I think you're right.

I'm going to have to put some real thought into this, and come up with a scale based on age and band size, not just cup size.

Maybe age, ethnicity and nationality should be incorporated as well.

This is starting to sound like an interesting little project

I'll get to work on it later today.

bra_fan



You have too much spare time on your hands
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bra_fan
Posted 28/6/2006 19:57 (#40958 - in reply to #40957)
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Melanie,

You are so right.

bra_fan

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Nobody Not Really
Posted 28/6/2006 21:36 (#40962 - in reply to #40958)
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bra_fan - 28/6/2006 8:55 AM

I'm going to have to put some real thought into this, and come up with a scale based on age and band size, not just cup size.

Maybe age, ethnicity and nationality should be incorporated as well.



I can understand taking age and ethnicity into consideration, but nationality?
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bra_fan
Posted 29/6/2006 01:28 (#40969 - in reply to #40962)
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Perhaps nationality would make a difference, perhaps not.

That's what interests me most:

Exactly what factors play a role in areola size?

bra_fan

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Wireless
Posted 29/6/2006 13:27 (#40991 - in reply to #40969)
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Exactly what factors play a role in areola size?

It's all determined by genetics.
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Nobody Not Really
Posted 29/6/2006 14:07 (#40996 - in reply to #40991)
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bra_fan - 28/6/2006 8:28 PM

Perhaps nationality would make a difference, perhaps not.



I don't see how the status of belonging to a particular country can make a difference in areola size. A white woman who is born in America isn't going to have areolae 10 times larger than a white woman born in Europe just because she is classed as an American citizen. At the moment my nationality is British. Once I get permanent residence in Canada I will be Canadian. I don't think that changing my nationality is going to magically change the size of my areolae unless they welcome you to Canada by offering you free areolae enlargement surgery.
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Melanie
Posted 29/6/2006 19:21 (#41014 - in reply to #40958)
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bra_fan - 28/6/2006 7:57 PM

Melanie,

You are so right.

bra_fan



So how's the project coming along?
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bra_fan
Posted 29/6/2006 19:51 (#41016 - in reply to #41014)
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Sue,

There are averages for everything.. And that's precisely the point of the thread. To determine if there is a discernable average based on a common similar trait. It's just a research project, like any other.

Sometimes research turns up interesting results, and sometimes it reveals nothing. That's what the research is for

Melanie,

I'm working on a set of overall parameters for the project, assuming it makes it off the ground.

BigDina42L has kindly offered to help with the project, and I hope to have some details in place within the next couple of days or so that she can work on.

bra_fan

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bra_fan
Posted 29/6/2006 19:53 (#41017 - in reply to #41016)
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34G,

That comment is really uncalled for.

My posts as a breasttalk member have never been anything less than respectful, and I'm a bit offended by yours.

bra_fan

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Wireless
Posted 1/7/2006 01:29 (#41087 - in reply to #41017)
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Well done Carol, you've pandered to the idiots and the fakes (how many photoshopped people are there exactly? And let's not forget good old "Roxy") and ruined something that might have been a good resource.

It is clear that you have no idea about who Roxy really is and I ask you not to speak ill of her since she is not able to defend herself because of her illness.

That said, if this place is as useless as you believe it is, then why are you even posting here? You're contradicting yourself.
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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 21:47 (#41023 - in reply to #41016)
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bra_fan - 29/6/2006 7:51 PM

Sue,

There are averages for everything.. And that's precisely the point of the thread. To determine if there is a discernable average based on a common similar trait.



But its yet another your normal your not
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Sue
Posted 29/6/2006 22:11 (#41024 - in reply to #41016)
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bra_fan - 29/6/2006 7:51 PM

Sue,

There are averages for everything..



Well, yes, there is an average areola size of every woman on the planet but, even if you knew what it was, it would be a meaningless statistic. Areola size is not proportional to breast size so you can't average them that way to produce a useful statistic either.

I think this thread has run its course and, unless anyone has anything new to offer this discussion, I think it's time we moved on and discussed something else, as this thread appears to be upsetting some of the women here.
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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 22:19 (#41025 - in reply to #41024)
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sorry
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Melanie
Posted 29/6/2006 23:01 (#41028 - in reply to #41024)
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Sue - 29/6/2006 10:11 PM

bra_fan - 29/6/2006 7:51 PM

Sue,

There are averages for everything..



Well, yes, there is an average areola size of every woman on the planet but, even if you knew what it was, it would be a meaningless statistic. Areola size is not proportional to breast size so you can't average them that way to produce a useful statistic either.

I think this thread has run its course and, unless anyone has anything new to offer this discussion, I think it's time we moved on and discussed something else, as this thread appears to be upsetting some of the women here.


It's not upsetting me. I'm really interested in this project (sarc).


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BigDina42L
Posted 29/6/2006 23:18 (#41030 - in reply to #41016)
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bra_fan - 29/6/2006 12:51 PM
BigDina42L has kindly offered to help with the project, and I hope to have some details in place within the next couple of days or so that she can work on.


I don't mind helping as long as I don't have to do anything.
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PLASMA80
Posted 28/6/2006 14:22 (#40946 - in reply to #40927)
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I prefer above average areola size. ;-)
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Very shy
Posted 28/6/2006 18:12 (#40956 - in reply to #40927)
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I honestly belive no good comes from averages. they always end up making some people feel that they are odd or not right in some way
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JP35
Posted 29/6/2006 02:07 (#40973 - in reply to #40956)
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Very shy - 28/6/2006 11:12 AMI honestly belive no good comes from averages. they always end up making some people feel that they are odd or not right in some way

I have to admit to agreeing with this a little bit.  I totally understand that need for averages,etc for statistical purposes ( I do reporting and programming for a living) but we've had a few recent threads where people feel like freaks and personally I wouldnt want to encourage that line of thought.

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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 14:46 (#40998 - in reply to #40973)
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JP35 - 29/6/2006 2:07 AM

Very shy - 28/6/2006 11:12 AMI honestly belive no good comes from averages. they always end up making some people feel that they are odd or not right in some way

I have to admit to agreeing with this a little bit.  I totally understand that need for averages,etc for statistical purposes ( I do reporting and programming for a living) but we've had a few recent threads where people feel like freaks and personally I wouldnt want to encourage that line of thought.



Yep thats what I mean that is the line of thought that averages creat. By telling someone that the average bra size is a C suddenly everyone remotly below or above that is not average therefore in some cases feels down about
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Wireless
Posted 29/6/2006 15:33 (#41003 - in reply to #40998)
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Yep thats what I mean that is the line of thought that averages creat. By telling someone that the average bra size is a C suddenly everyone remotly below or above that is not average therefore in some cases feels down about

That is why, as I said before countless times, averages are useless without a standard deviation. If the average is a C but the standard deviation is two cup sizes, then 63% (I think, my stats are rusty) of the population will have A to E cups, with the remaining 37% larger or smaller. For a standard deviation of one cupsize it would be 63% have B to D and the remainder have A or smaller or E and larger.

Note: I used DD=E in the above.
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bra_fan
Posted 29/6/2006 15:46 (#41006 - in reply to #41003)
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This post has made me realize what a negatively charged buzzword "average" can be!

I think in many ways people mistake the word "average" as meaning "indistinct" or "not special" perhaps, and really, it's simply a mathematical term in the way I've stated it.

I simply found the topic interesting enough, and wondered exactly how much variance there really is between women, and what those variables are influenced by. My personal experiences tell me that there is certainly a "range" for women of similar builds, and I'm wondering still what percentage of women might fall above or below that range as I have it in my mind.

It's unlikely, I'd think, that a woman of 38DD proportions would have areola smaller than 1 inch, or bigger than 5 inches, but that's what I'd like to know more about, statistically.

Might be a good poll, or general discussion, without the stereotypical connotations attached

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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 15:48 (#41008 - in reply to #41003)
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Wireless - 29/6/2006 3:33 PM
That is why, as I said before countless times, averages are useless without a standard deviation. If the average is a C but the standard deviation is two cup sizes, then 63% (I think, my stats are rusty) of the population will have A to E cups, with the remaining 37% larger or smaller. For a standard deviation of one cupsize it would be 63% have B to D and the remainder have A or smaller or E and larger.

Note: I used DD=E in the above.


OO maths!!

I know what you are saying but even with what you are staying we are still pushing A's and below and E's and above as being anbnormal ok so you have widen those who are normal but we are still making some people feel bad
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Sue
Posted 29/6/2006 17:55 (#41010 - in reply to #41008)
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I don't see the point of this thread. There is no average areola size, even if you try to relate it to breast size. Some women with small breasts have large areolae and vice-versa. We're all different - all individuals. There is no right size or wrong size or average size.

On the subject of averages, try this question. On average do you think human beings have two legs, more than two legs or less than two legs? I'll post the answer later if no one has got it right before that
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Posted 29/6/2006 13:10 (#40987 - in reply to #40956)
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Very shy - 28/6/2006 6:12 PM

I honestly belive no good comes from averages. they always end up making some people feel that they are odd or not right in some way


I agree with you! Averages do make some people feel inadequate in some way as they are not the "norm"
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lullu
Posted 29/6/2006 18:34 (#41012 - in reply to #40927)
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I can't see why it should be bad to be something else than average?
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Sue
Posted 29/6/2006 19:15 (#41013 - in reply to #41012)
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lullu - 29/6/2006 6:34 PM

I can't see why it should be bad to be something else than average?


It isn't. Like I said, we're all different and no one has the right to say that anyone is better than anyone else.

The answer to my question is that, on average, humans have less than two legs. The reason being that most people have two legs, a small number have less than two, but no one has three! So the average is less than two
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Wireless
Posted 29/6/2006 20:41 (#41018 - in reply to #41013)
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The answer to my question is that, on average, humans have less than two legs. The reason being that most people have two legs, a small number have less than two, but no one has three! So the average is less than two

Some have one? Only if amputated, but then one can say some have 3 or 4 if they use a cane or crutches. I guess the old joke is not known here: what starts to walk on 4 legs, uses 2 most of the time and ends up using 3?

I know what you are saying but even with what you are staying we are still pushing A's and below and E's and above as being anbnormal ok so you have widen those who are normal but we are still making some people feel bad

I think you are interpreting things in a negative way. By what you said above not average = abnormal. But the term 'normal' is very broad indeed. I think a woman with a AA or a DD is very normal in her own way. Even Dina, being an L, is normal. I think a better question would be this: what is abnormal? You don't have to feel bad by being off the spectrum. In fact, I think it should be something to smile about because it makes you different and therefore unique in some way.
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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 21:44 (#41021 - in reply to #41018)
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Wireless - 29/6/2006 8:41 PM

I know what you are saying but even with what you are staying we are still pushing A's and below and E's and above as being anbnormal ok so you have widen those who are normal but we are still making some people feel bad

I think you are interpreting things in a negative way. By what you said above not average = abnormal. But the term 'normal' is very broad indeed. I think a woman with a AA or a DD is very normal in her own way. Even Dina, being an L, is normal. I think a better question would be this: what is abnormal? You don't have to feel bad by being off the spectrum. In fact, I think it should be something to smile about because it makes you different and therefore unique in some way.


I think that ios one of those things that is easy to say hard to do. For some people all they ever what is to feel normal so they can blend (rightly or wrongly). I know why there is a need for averages but it's very difficult. people will often question things if they are not average, for exampl if one range of sizez is average for women are you less of a woman if you fall outside those realms .

Maybe its just me being silly. Sorry
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Wireless
Posted 29/6/2006 23:21 (#41031 - in reply to #41021)
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Dea Shy,

I think that ios one of those things that is easy to say hard to do. For some people all they ever what is to feel normal so they can blend (rightly or wrongly). I know why there is a need for averages but it's very difficult. people will often question things if they are not average, for exampl if one range of sizez is average for women are you less of a woman if you fall outside those realms .

Maybe its just me being silly. Sorry


There is nothing to apologise for.

I know what you are saying about wanting to be normal and trying to blend in. I have tried to do this for many years myself but no matter how hard I tried, it just did not seem to work. It has taken me some time but I have now come to recognise and love the fact that I am different from the mainstream person, and I daresay that I am proud of it. I know that being different makes you more vulnerable and an easier target for abuse, but at the same time by standing up for yourself and by being what you are and not what people want you to be, you grow stronger and wiser as well. It is a win-win situation.

I would say that the same applies to breast sizes. There are some women around here that have very large breasts. They know they are different, they know they get stared at but they have learnt to live with it and they stand up for themselves and they dare to say 'This is the way I am: take it or leave it.' I am sure that for most this was a long and hard road to travel, but in the end they prevailed. I am sure that, if you put your mind and heart to it and embrace that you are different from mainstream, a whole new world will open to you.

Of course, I am talking about people that are not vastly deviant from the mainstream, such as lunatics or killers or something, but those that are a little different.
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Very shy
Posted 29/6/2006 23:24 (#41032 - in reply to #41031)
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Wireless - 29/6/2006 11:21 PM

Dea Shy,

There is nothing to apologise for.

I know what you are saying about wanting to be normal and trying to blend in. I have tried to do this for many years myself but no matter how hard I tried, it just did not seem to work. It has taken me some time but I have now come to recognise and love the fact that I am different from the mainstream person, and I daresay that I am proud of it. I know that being different makes you more vulnerable and an easier target for abuse, but at the same time by standing up for yourself and by being what you are and not what people want you to be, you grow stronger and wiser as well. It is a win-win situation.

I would say that the same applies to breast sizes. There are some women around here that have very large breasts. They know they are different, they know they get stared at but they have learnt to live with it and they stand up for themselves and they dare to say 'This is the way I am: take it or leave it.' I am sure that for most this was a long and hard road to travel, but in the end they prevailed. I am sure that, if you put your mind and heart to it and embrace that you are different from mainstream, a whole new world will open to you.

Of course, I am talking about people that are not vastly deviant from the mainstream, such as lunatics or killers or something, but those that are a little different.


Ta wireless

I knnow what you mean and I am no lunatic. lol In many ways I am normal, just me making a fudd over nothing probably. Just in nore recent time have felt myself feel very low about small chets size that all.
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Wireless
Posted 30/6/2006 14:41 (#41053 - in reply to #41032)
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I knnow what you mean and I am no lunatic. lol In many ways I am normal, just me making a fudd over nothing probably. Just in nore recent time have felt myself feel very low about small chets size that all.

Yes, there seem to be plenty of women suffering from that, but you should ask yourself whether it is worth being upset over - since you can't change it - or whether there are more important things in life that you do have control over and that you can subsequently change.
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Very shy
Posted 30/6/2006 21:54 (#41076 - in reply to #41053)
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I know easier said than done though
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Posted 30/6/2006 22:08 (#41077 - in reply to #41076)
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OK - let's try to summarise some of what's gone before. Bra-fan's original post was about averages, but some people have chosen to interpret anything non-average as abnormal and therefore bad, which wasn't the original intention of the post. This discussion seems to me like it's going nowhere, so maybe now is the time to stop it.

Bra-fan : please continue to post here and don't let this put you off. We need people who will start thought-provoking threads. However you perhaps need to remember that we women have more issues and insecurities regarding our bodies than men do, so give some thought to what you say. This applies to the other guys here too!

very-shy : it's pointless to worry about things you can't change. Accept that and you'll be a lot happier. That's my philosophy.

I'm not going to freeze this thread, I'll leave it to Carol to do that if she wants to.
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Posted 30/6/2006 07:53 (#41043 - in reply to #41021)
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I think that ios one of those things that is easy to say hard to do. For some people all they ever what is to feel normal so they can blend (rightly or wrongly). I know why there is a need for averages but it's very difficult. people will often question things if they are not average, for exampl if one range of sizez is average for women are you less of a woman if you fall outside those realms . Maybe its just me being silly. Sorry

I have done exactly like Wireless: for years I tried to blend in and be like everybody else, but no matter how hard I tried it wasn't a succes and it didn't make me happy.

I think most of us have things about our bodies that we don't like, I know I have and there are areas where I would be outside average, but when I look at my body as a whole it does look quite normal and harmonic and I think it is that way for most people.

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Posted 29/6/2006 23:50 (#41034 - in reply to #40927)
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We have had many discussions on what is average and normal/abnormal in several threads. These topics seem to get people upset possibly because they feel offended when someone is trying to force a label on them. In one of the other threads I proved mathematically that you can be normal but not the average. I think Sue is right. The way the thread has evolved, we are going in a negative direction. Bra_fan never intended to start a debate over normal/abnormal but wanted to know what an average areola size is based on cup sizes. It is a legitimate topic and he never mentioned being abnormal or normal.

Areola sizes are like fingerprints. We are all different and there is no connection to cup sizes. I have seen small breasted women with tiny areolas and I have seen small breasted women with areolas that practically cover her entire breast. I have also seen women that are extremely large breasted that have real huge areolas and then there are some of these women with very small areolas. Sometimes genetics play a roll in the size and sometimes it doesn’t. Most teenagers will be on the smaller side because they are still developing, but not all teenagers will be on the smaller side. Just ask my daughters on that one. Then women that have had children may or may not increase their areola size from their pregnancies. The areolas on some of these women will have a huge increase in size when they are pregnant while other pregnant women hardly see much change at all. We are all different in how our breasts and areolas develop and the stage of life that we are in when the survey is taken will play a role in the outcome of any survey of this type.

My opinion is that the survey would not prove anything except determine what the average size was for the 25, 50 or 100 women that were poled on that particular day or week or survey period. If the same pole was taken later, a different average would be the result.

One of these days we need to discuss a thread that is about averages without the words “normal and abnormal” because they are totally different in their meaning.
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Posted 30/6/2006 00:10 (#41036 - in reply to #40927)
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I guess it's time to abandon the "project" and the thread.

I'm a little surprised and somewhat disappointed over some of the generally sarcastic comments.

I've always tried to be a courteous and productive member of the site, respectful of others, and helpful when I can be.

If this forum isn't about exchanging ideas, and posting thoughts, then what is it for?

There's another thread running about the fact that such a large percentage of members never post, and I think now I know why

Apparently, you're either "in" with the clique, or completely out.

A rather disappointing discovery. Guess I'll just go back to reading posts, since, it appears, participation without ridicule requires some sort of secret pass to which I have no access.

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Sue
Posted 30/6/2006 23:02 (#41084 - in reply to #41036)
Subject: RE: Areola Size > Are you Average?



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34G: Posting personal attacks on other members is contrary to the terms and conditions of this forum. I was tempted to just delete your posts, but I've left them for everyone to see.

This forum is a place where people who are prepared to act like adults can discuss topics regarding breasts in a civilised manner and we expect you to do the same if you wish to be a member here. If you have issues regarding any other members here, then send Carol a PM so that she can sort them out. Do not post your grievances in the forum.
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GlasgowGal
Posted 30/6/2006 01:24 (#41038 - in reply to #40927)
Subject: Re: Areola Size > Are you Average?


Does it really matter? Mine are the size they are and I've never been bothered about it. There's nothing I can do about it and nohthing I want to do abiut it. Does it really matter? I think it doesn't.Who really cares? Everyone's differenjt and we should all accept that. Is it that much od an issue?
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bra_fan
Posted 1/7/2006 04:09 (#41093 - in reply to #40927)
Subject: RE: Areola Size > Are you Average?



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34G

I'd debate you, but I'm reminded of an old saying:

Never argue with an idiot.

Of course, you'll have some almost snappy, somewhat dimwitted insult to toss back at me, though I rather doubt it'll be worth the trouble to read.

You've got a whopping handful of previous posts, and a hopelessly fake looking profile and email address, yet you're prancing around as if you've got the support of the entire universe.

It'd be interesting, almost, to carry you a few 'rounds', if you weren't so hopelessly, laughably ill-equiipped for such an exchange.

(Sorry mods, felt like having my say with this dimwit. Feel free to cancel my account, it's not a problem whatsoever and probably time for me to move along. Thank you to my board friends from over the past year, I very much appreciated the nice give and take in posts and PM's. I remember a kinder breasttalk, and I'd prefer to remember it that way, and hope it will be that way again for everyone here. Thanks for everything.)

bra_fan

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BigDina42L
Posted 1/7/2006 04:22 (#41094 - in reply to #40927)
Subject: RE: Areola Size > Are you Average?



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I think it’s time to stop this thread and move on to more relevant topics. Therefore, I am officially freezing this thread. From now on, let’s all stick to the topics being discussed and leave the bickering to the politicians. They seem to be the experts at it.
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